Am I abnormal because I enjoy the bloodier, chunkier side of life? I think not.
...as in, an adjustment to his damage....downwards.
Published on April 19, 2009 By Fractallicon In Demigod Strategies

I may be wrong here...have only played Torchbearer once...but does he not have to max out the Fireball line to get a 1050, slowish casting fireball? Unclean Beast to me (I have played him in all but 1 custom game this weekend...and that was the only game my team lost) seems grossly overpowered compared to a DG whose sole purpose seems to be damage. At rank 3 of Venomous Spit, I am doing..what, 1050 or 1500 damage? I'm already matching or outdamaging the TB who should normally be a ranged-only DG.

I start the game with Swift Anklets and buy Boots of Speed right off the bat. Add in Venomous Spit, and I can harass the *hell* out of any other DG in the game. After that, I get the basic 5% +attack speed gloves...and start saving up for Heart of Life (4250 gold). Once I get HoL, it's all over. Yeah, I may still die....rarely..but for the most part I can fly around the map Spitting on DGs, retaking flags, annihilating creep waves, levelling and earning gold without worrying. Every 30 seconds, I can refill my HP and mana to full without going back to the crystal at base. Add in another set of gloves (Wyrmskin) and the Hauberk of Life and Vlemish Faceguard for +mana regen, and the UB becomes a fast-moving, hard-hitting ridiculous killing machine.

Torchbearer: A)  Decent "sudden" damage at range with maxed out fireball, but it's slow to fire and does less damage than Spit when Spit is maxxed.  Can't match UB's speed even with the same items due to Inner Beast.

Essentially, the TB does less damage at range (though he does it faster) and has to get into near-melee range to use things like Fire Nova or whatever the fire/ice Nova PBAoE spells are....which means, faced with Spit+Melee+Grasp...he's dead. The only thing that can save him is a good Sedna player healing him, or a QoT with Bramble Shield. But if they react too slow, and the Spit hits the UB...he''s gonna run. Guaranteed.

Overall I am thinking that UB's base melee damage needs to be lowered by about 10-15% to offset his ridiculous attack speed with items, and his Spit ability needs a good readjusting....on the order of about 20% when maxed, and maybe 10% less per rank before that. Alternately, TB needs a boost on his HP so he doesn't have to run every time he gets hit by a single Spit blast from a UB player.

Thoughts?


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on Apr 21, 2009

The_Regicide
What if, instead of uber damage, spit had a 5/10/15/20% cripple for 10 seconds, and some minor DoT?

Then what reason would anyone have to get diseased claws? Spit's base cooldown is 7 seconds it can kept up 100% of the time making diseased claws useless as by the time you get it to max level you can have a vlemish and plenor to compensate for spit's mana drain. Also if you nerf it's damage you change his role from hit and run to, chase specialist. As he'd lack the damage to do hit and runs anymore. If you change spit you need to change bite, pounce, hamemr slam, snipe, penitence, fireball / deep freeze, bramble shield. It's the defining skill of UB's plat style, if you change it you need to give him something as good in return.

on Apr 21, 2009

Complainers, a whole thread of them. UB is fine.

on Apr 21, 2009

Not really a UB player here, but let me just say that I tested out the spit/ooze/grasp combo and wow! Kills demigods dead and fast. Makes you want to stay far far away from the beast.

on Apr 22, 2009

transitive
except that your numbers are wrong. check again. 

 

level 4 Uproot has a base of 2000 damage over 10 seconds, which is increased up to 3000 damage over 10 seconds if you've also got maxed out Compost. 

 

300 dps is a much bigger number than 164 DPS. not sure where you got 133 from. 

fail.

1150/7=164

2000/15=133

1150/7/4=41 per skill point.

2000/15/4=33.3 DPS per skill point. (building only)

3000/15/7=28 DPS per skill point. (building only)

 

I hate people that don't know an elementary level of math.

on Apr 22, 2009

double post. text removed in edit.

 

 

on Apr 22, 2009

wow dude, you hate me? i can detect sarcasm as well as the next guy, but thats kinda...ouch. doesn't help the conversation very much. 

 

there's nothing elementary about my math either. i'm an engineering student. 

 

we simply calculated the values under different parameters. i counted DPS as damage divided by ability duration. you counted it as damage divided by cooldown duration. 

 

if you really want an accurate assessment you'd also have to incorporate mana efficiency and available mana pool of either DG. if you're counting by cooldowns instead of one individual ability activation you need to pick a time frame. Beast gets off a maximum of 9 Spits in 63 seconds, Queen gets off a maximum of 4 Uproots in 63 seconds. but does beast have enough mana to spit 9 times? the issue gets more complex. 

 

 

on Apr 22, 2009

i dont see how people are complaining about the beast with the overpowered Oak, and Vampire running rampant.

on Apr 22, 2009

It's bad form to claim one demigod is not OP (your main, I assume) and then to go out and make a whole new thread requesting not one, but two of the other demigods be nerfed.  You don't provide any reasoning in either thread.

 

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on Apr 22, 2009

I did they beat UB, Rook, TB, consistantly. So much for being a General.

on Apr 22, 2009

I dunno if I play mostly idiots, but as an Oak player, I smile whenever I see UB's in my lane. With Soul power, I do much more early game melee damage constantly, have a ranged nuke/slow that is horrible for someone with such low hp, once I get Bishops his Venom Spit harrass disappears, Spirits give me another massive damage advantage, and with the kill heal (purity is it? I forget the name) which I get about level 3, my ability to stay in a lane is far far superior. Add that to better natural survivability stats and I find that I totally outclass any UB.

on Apr 22, 2009

innociv

fail.

1150/7=164

2000/15=133

1150/7/4=41 per skill point.

2000/15/4=33.3 DPS per skill point. (building only)

3000/15/7=28 DPS per skill point. (building only)

 

I hate people that don't know an elementary level of math.

 

Fail... what does this mean???  fail????

How about people that don't know elementary communication skills? 

Do you mean Wrong?  Incorrect? Something like that??

on Apr 22, 2009

For everyone who is complaining about spit, for any UB that is using it endgame, just laugh. Even maxxed i consider it quite useless. picking up all the passive skills and only having rank 1 spit to help out early game is the best way to go, also not getting bestial wrath. i find myself strapped for mana 90% of the time so having mana to keep stuns up for people who are trying to use a tele scroll away is the way to go.

 

on Apr 22, 2009

justinsroy
For everyone who is complaining about spit, for any UB that is using it endgame, just laugh. Even maxxed i consider it quite useless. picking up all the passive skills and only having rank 1 spit to help out early game is the best way to go, also not getting bestial wrath. i find myself strapped for mana 90% of the time so having mana to keep stuns up for people who are trying to use a tele scroll away is the way to go.

 

Vlemish + plenor or heart of life = no mana problems. If you don't get spit or BW then what do you do? max out the stat things?

on Apr 27, 2009

PossiblyImpossible
I've said this before but I'll say it again.

 

The solution for Venomous Spit is to double the duration but keep the overall damage the same, effectively halving the DPS.

 

Not a bad idea. Half duration, double damage is a bit extreme. Maybe go 1.5 duration, 0.75 damage instead. UB seems a little too strong to me, though I'm no expert at the game.

on Apr 27, 2009


Fail... what does this mean???  fail????

How about people that don't know elementary communication skills? 

Do you mean Wrong?  Incorrect? Something like that??

Let me introduce you to my friend...

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