Am I abnormal because I enjoy the bloodier, chunkier side of life? I think not.
...as in, an adjustment to his damage....downwards.
Published on April 19, 2009 By Fractallicon In Demigod Strategies

I may be wrong here...have only played Torchbearer once...but does he not have to max out the Fireball line to get a 1050, slowish casting fireball? Unclean Beast to me (I have played him in all but 1 custom game this weekend...and that was the only game my team lost) seems grossly overpowered compared to a DG whose sole purpose seems to be damage. At rank 3 of Venomous Spit, I am doing..what, 1050 or 1500 damage? I'm already matching or outdamaging the TB who should normally be a ranged-only DG.

I start the game with Swift Anklets and buy Boots of Speed right off the bat. Add in Venomous Spit, and I can harass the *hell* out of any other DG in the game. After that, I get the basic 5% +attack speed gloves...and start saving up for Heart of Life (4250 gold). Once I get HoL, it's all over. Yeah, I may still die....rarely..but for the most part I can fly around the map Spitting on DGs, retaking flags, annihilating creep waves, levelling and earning gold without worrying. Every 30 seconds, I can refill my HP and mana to full without going back to the crystal at base. Add in another set of gloves (Wyrmskin) and the Hauberk of Life and Vlemish Faceguard for +mana regen, and the UB becomes a fast-moving, hard-hitting ridiculous killing machine.

Torchbearer: A)  Decent "sudden" damage at range with maxed out fireball, but it's slow to fire and does less damage than Spit when Spit is maxxed.  Can't match UB's speed even with the same items due to Inner Beast.

Essentially, the TB does less damage at range (though he does it faster) and has to get into near-melee range to use things like Fire Nova or whatever the fire/ice Nova PBAoE spells are....which means, faced with Spit+Melee+Grasp...he's dead. The only thing that can save him is a good Sedna player healing him, or a QoT with Bramble Shield. But if they react too slow, and the Spit hits the UB...he''s gonna run. Guaranteed.

Overall I am thinking that UB's base melee damage needs to be lowered by about 10-15% to offset his ridiculous attack speed with items, and his Spit ability needs a good readjusting....on the order of about 20% when maxed, and maybe 10% less per rank before that. Alternately, TB needs a boost on his HP so he doesn't have to run every time he gets hit by a single Spit blast from a UB player.

Thoughts?


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on Apr 27, 2009

polis59
This post honestly sounds like a TB player crying about UB.  UB is meant to be a harassing character.  If you over extend yourself, you are screwed.  Playing against a good rook, Oak or Sedna I usualy get squashed.  If any other character wants to sit and melee me they are going to die.  You have to learn the strong points of your character.

 

Translation: LEARN HOW TO PLAY THE GAME

on Apr 27, 2009

Translation: LEARN HOW TO PLAY THE GAME

 

I don't know what we'd do without your translations. I'd probably be 5 miles from my house wandering in confusion if it wasn't for your infallible insight to give me direction in life.

on Apr 29, 2009

That, plus, you all just Lost The Game....

on Apr 29, 2009

Fractallicon
Once I get HoL, it's all over.

No, it's not. Who are you playing against, clueless bots?

Fractallicon
Torchbearer: A)  Decent "sudden" damage at range with maxed out fireball, but it's slow to fire and does less damage than Spit when Spit is maxxed.  Can't match UB's speed even with the same items due to Inner Beast.

Uh, now seriously, did you ever play against a good TB?

One possible (and a scenario I expect when playing against a good player): He casts Rain of Ice before I can spit. After I spit, he casts Deep Freeze, followed by Symbol of Purity. Uh. So I am at the start, he has full HP, I'm on huge spit cooldown and already on 3/4 of HP. 

No matter how fragile he is, it's hard to get close to an Ice TB.

Fractallicon
Overall I am thinking that UB's base melee damage needs to be lowered by about 10-15% to offset his ridiculous attack speed with items, and his Spit ability needs a good readjusting....on the order of about 20% when maxed, and maybe 10% less per rank before that. Alternately, TB needs a boost on his HP so he doesn't have to run every time he gets hit by a single Spit blast from a UB player.

Overall, I think you should play with all Demigods first, play against good players with all different Demigods as well, and then come back to have a serious talk about nerfing/whatever.

Spit is not nearly as powerful as you believe it is in games where people know how to counter it.

And it's not hard, not at all.

This is all coming from an UB player as well, as I play 4/5 games with it.

 

on Apr 29, 2009

  UB lvl 20 geared right can kill an 11k Rook (Light had two banners of fort) in approximately 14 seconds.

 

 

  Fight went like this.  UB runs into Rook  Hits with Spit.  Rook player moves out of AoE, Deathbringer Silences UB, and crits UB for 2k.  UB Spits again and foul Grasps Rook player which is now down to 2k HP boulder rolls and attempts to flee UB kills Rook.

 

UB player had Groffling Plate,  Doomspire Gauntlets, Journeymen Boots,  Vlewish face guard,  Mards Hammer Relic,  Ashkander, and i forget what else.

 

  Rook had Slayer's Guantlets,  Godplate,  Ashkander,  Deathbringer,  Vlemish Face guard,  Journeymen's boots,  Mard Hammer,  Parasite Egg,.

 

AT the end of the figh the UB player had 7k health left and decimated the Rook player in approximately 14 seconds....

 

 

  How is that Balanced?  In high gear, high lvl games the only thing to do against UB is to gank him as even a 2v1 he is going to drop one of the players.  He is massively Broken.

on Apr 29, 2009

  UB lvl 20 geared right can kill an 11k Rook (Light had two banners of fort) in approximately 14 seconds.

 

It's your fault for letting a UB get that high? Learn how to micro-manage. You suck, not the game balance.

on Apr 29, 2009

Actaully Extaretard everyone was lvl 20......  We played a game which everyone started off at the same lvl which was 20.  Thanks for being a moron. Guess you did not realize that the game can allow certain options like instead of Starting at LVL 1 everyone starts at 20.... Its for people that get bored with playing the "HUR HUR HUR I OUT LVL JOO NOW I BEATZ U EZY!" game play that Demigod can offer.  Sorry just like in WoW i never found it fun to beat a lvl 60 with my Lvl 80....

 

  The basic of strat for Demigod is rediculously easy all you do is OUTLVL your opposition and then spank them for not trying to control the "lvl" zones.    Its really funny when players upgrade their Reinforcements so their creeps will slaughter your creeps and base rush you practicly giving you free XP and giving them none.

 

  If one Demigod is more powerful then the rest of the Demigods at same lvl thats a break in game balance.

 

 Thanks a Extacide for being a retard once again..  Now go die in fire.

on Apr 29, 2009

Thanks for being a moron. Guess you did not realize that the game can allow certain options like instead of Starting at LVL 1 everyone starts at 20

 

Okay, then you just suck because you can't level to 20.

 

Its for people that get bored with playing the "HUR HUR HUR I OUT LVL JOO NOW I BEATZ U EZY!"

 

i.e. people who are good at this game, unlike you.

 

The basic of strat for Demigod is rediculously easy all you do is OUTLVL your opposition and then spank them for not trying to control the "lvl" zones.

 

Its so easy yet you're incapable of it.

 

  If one Demigod is more powerful then the rest of the Demigods at same lvl thats a break in game balance.

 

And you, the almighty one know whats balanced and imbalanced, because we all know you've played thousands of games against unclean against players who are the best, this assuming you're good too (which you're not)

 

Thanks a Extacide for being a retard once again..  Now go die in fire.

 

Wahhh...i suck at this game nerf the demigod that owns me WAHHHH

on Apr 29, 2009

 

Extacide

Thanks for being a moron. Guess you did not realize that the game can allow certain options like instead of Starting at LVL 1 everyone starts at 20
 

Okay, then you just suck because you can't level to 20.

 


Its for people that get bored with playing the "HUR HUR HUR I OUT LVL JOO NOW I BEATZ U EZY!"
 

i.e. people who are good at this game, unlike you.

 


The basic of strat for Demigod is rediculously easy all you do is OUTLVL your opposition and then spank them for not trying to control the "lvl" zones.
 

Its so easy yet you're incapable of it.

 


  If one Demigod is more powerful then the rest of the Demigods at same lvl thats a break in game balance.
 

And you, the almighty one know whats balanced and imbalanced, because we all know you've played thousands of games against unclean against players who are the best, this assuming you're good too (which you're not)

 


Thanks a Extacide for being a retard once again..  Now go die in fire.
 

Wahhh...i suck at this game nerf the demigod that owns me WAHHHH

 

   Spoken like a tard.  I guess you need a crutch to be good at this game? And much to your chargin I play UB exclusively in Multiplayer......  So kinda kills your arguement dead in the water you failure.  BTW,  Killed Rook today in his Base healing at the  healing crystal two 2k crits plus Ooze, Drain and Spit out dpsed the Healing Crystal. EL OH EL TOTALLY NOT BROKEN!.

  Sorry,  but lvl farming NPCs to 18 and then beating someone is not hard.  It maybe intriguing strat for a moron like you but after winning most games by sheer out lving the opposition it gets rather boring.

 

  In summary Extacide's argument is.  UB is fine and anyone that says otherwise is wrong and a nub.

  Your character is broken Exta and your failure.  Your father must be so ashamed he didn't have your mother get an abortion.

 

 

on Apr 29, 2009

BTW,  Killed Rook today in his Base healing at the  healing crystal two 2k crits plus Ooze, Drain and Spit out dpsed the Healing Crystal. EL OH EL TOTALLY NOT BROKEN!.

 

Yeah I know. At level 20 with all of that gear, im sure it wasn't intended for demigods to be able to kill eachother. I do it too, don't orgasm on yourself now.

 

Sorry,  but lvl farming NPCs to 18 and then beating someone is not hard.  It maybe intriguing strat for a moron like you but after winning most games by sheer out lving the opposition it gets rather boring.

 

It isn't hard? I'd love to play your team. You should sign up for the next ESL tournament. You should be able to sweep it no problem!

 

summary Extacide's argument is.  UB is fine and anyone that says otherwise is wrong and a nub.

 

My argument is: No one has learned this game well enough to justify a nerf just because they lose, and cry for nerfs to over-compensate for their lack of skill. i.e. you.

 

Your character is broken Exta and your failure.

 

What character of mine is broken? I don't play UB son.

on Apr 29, 2009

official thread derailment:

 

the new topic is 

Matthew McConaughey

(http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000190/)

 

great actor or greatest actor of all time?

on Apr 29, 2009

I dont really pay attention to actors in movies, but Mel Gibson was in a lot of my favorite movies (passion of the christ...not in this list of course!). I wouldn't say hes the greatest, but yeah.

 

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM

on Apr 30, 2009

innociv

Quoting transitive, reply 13except that your numbers are wrong. check again. 

 

level 4 Uproot has a base of 2000 damage over 10 seconds, which is increased up to 3000 damage over 10 seconds if you've also got maxed out Compost. 

 

300 dps is a much bigger number than 164 DPS. not sure where you got 133 from. 
fail.

1150/7=164

2000/15=133

1150/7/4=41 per skill point.

2000/15/4=33.3 DPS per skill point. (building only)

3000/15/7=28 DPS per skill point. (building only)

 

I hate people that don't know an elementary level of math.

Almost as much as people that don't understand DPS per skill point is irrelevant?

on Apr 30, 2009

Oh, really?

K you have fun with spending half your skill points into uproot and compost.  I'm sure you'll be unstoppable.

on Apr 30, 2009

no, Innociv is right to consider skill point efficiency. thats an important one. however, this thread is not particularly about different builds of Queen of Thorns. i'm sure there are several ways to effectively use Compost and Uproot and still have a good QoT. personally I tend to use a Shambler/Bramble Shield/Entourage build when I play the Queen though but I don't claim thats the best build. I mostly use Oak anyway, so I'm not so qualified to answer. 

 

but we're getting off topic. back on point

 

better performance

 

Sahara (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0318649/) or Reign of Fire(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0253556/)

 

 

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