If you are looking at this issue from the perspective of Spit being better than fireball... well it IS better than fireball, but does that imbalance UB?  I dunno, its a bit early to tell without some real organised matches or a competitive league going...

Spit should not be able to target buildings.  That's the only issue with UB.

For reference, Spit is 164DPS vs. buildings.  Uproot is 133DPS.  This is lvl 4 for both.  Uproot is building only, while spit can hit players to.  So.. yeah.. spit shouldn't be able to hit buildings.  He wrecks them good enough with bestial wrath.

except that your numbers are wrong. check again. 

level 4 Uproot has a base of 2000 damage over 10 seconds, which is increased up to 3000 damage over 10 seconds if you've also got maxed out Compost. 

300 dps is a much bigger number than 164 DPS. not sure where you got 133 from. 

I created a different build yesterday night focused mainly on melee abilities, equipment, favor items and artifacts, with Spit left in as a minor harassing weapon...or to splat on a fleeing demigod I was not going to chase. Suffice to say, taking a full health Tower down in under 4 seconds is sweet. So was surviving a fight with TWO Oak players, killing them both.

Nerfing complaints is OP.  There goes 1/2 the forum posts...

Honestly, the only DG I've played is UB, and the complaints against it are rather stupid, and don't hold a candle if put in a setting where the opposing team is even somewhat team-oriented (we all do know DG is a team game, right?).

Spit is UB's only early-game tool, basically a decent GTFO manuever, removing/nerfing it, coupled with its low HP would cripple UB.  Besides, in the late game it wont kill anyone who's properly built--rather, it's a regen remover.  UB's low HP results in other DG's easily being able to pop it with teamwork.  Of course you'll die if you decide to 1v1 UB away from any and all support...that goes for most DGs as well.  This game is about teamwork, and within that context, UB is nowhere near OP.

...so it's OK for one demigod to completely slaughter every other demigod and require teamwork to be defeated?!

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WHAT THE F***?!

I believe he meant UB just pops easily against teamwork. As in, he can be defeated otherwise too, but UB doesn't have many panic buttons nor health against ganking. Compare this to say, Erebus or Oak, who.. well, can't be taken easily even with teamwork, they have a higher chance to run away than UB.

I find that in Demigod dying rarely happens unless facing two or more or an enemy demigod is clearly ahead in exp and/or items. And UB is at disadvantage here, as beyond being fast it really can't do anything special to escape.

Artifacts cover any weakness nicely. Elfinkind anyone?

Artifacts are also expensive. Items can be used to cover hero's weaknesses, but it always costs gold. And opponent demigods get items too.

I haven't had any more problems with UB than with any other demigods. Spit is the annoying bit especially early game, but it's not like other demigods can't harass. Of course UB can get a kill after a few spits if enemy DG is still hanging around on low health. On many demigods I'd rather face UB than Regulus for example. UB is way easier to counter than a kiting Regulus.

Not even remotely true. The same speed that allows UB to catch up to a fleeing Demigod is the same speed that will let him get away. Slightly before the midpoint in an average game, when I have the Heart of Life coupled with speed boots and Swift Anklets, you aren't killing me if I decide to run. Conversely, you aren't getting away if I decide to chase you down.

I feel the thread has gotten a bit out of hand. I started it regarding Spit's damage alone, and it has degenerated into the usual "OP/Not OP" and "Balanced/Imbalanced" stuff. I was only stating that at equivalent levels, UB's Spit ability is more damaging than the best spells of some purely ranged DGs. I stand by that claim, and I still think the ability itself needs to be given a once over.

I'm not calling for a general nerf or claiming the UB "pwnzors all".

Well, whether a skill is op or not also has a much to do how the demigod does in general. Yes, Spit is really good, basically no build should skip it atm. But most demigods have such skills. But Spit doesn't really make UB overpowered, and so I think it's balanced.

Admittedly especially UB early game is just running around and Spitting, UB rarely gets to melee demigods then. But if Spit were nerfed much, what could UB do against ranged demigods early game? Can't really run near towers, so melee is out. UB is fast, but usually not fast enough to close the gap when the other demigod backs off early. So Spit tends to be pretty much the only way to damage demigods (besides working in teams or enemy demigod overextending) while towers still are a threat.

Heh, sorry, I just like arguing

No, don't apologize.  I think it's great that someone who's able to think things through also has the patience to stick around in here and deal with this mess...

What if, instead of uber damage, spit had a 5/10/15/20% cripple for 10 seconds, and some minor DoT?

Ok, so spit does more damage then fireball. You're forgetting UB only has 2 nukes, both of which are DoT. TB has 4 nukes, 3 of which are near instant. He also has several AoE buffs/debuffs, as well an as AoE stun that is crazy against creeps AND a ranged interrupt that casts near instant. 

UB is pretty much the best DG in the game at dealing damage, while TB is more of a support/utility role. I don't see a problem here. 

Yeh, but this wouldn't necessarily be a nerf but changing how the skill works. At least with those numbers UB early game would be a lot harder, 5/10% is so-so, especially if the range remains same. Basically, the movement speed reduction would have to be enough that UB, assuming it already has a slight movement speed advantage, would be able to reach enemy demigod on a relatively small distance. Otherwise UB would require heavy team support when facing a ranged demigod.

It's all up to numbers ofc. But imo the end result should be that UB gets to deal some noticeable amount of damage. A snare works a lot differently than a dot. It may allow UB to gain melee range, but it also allows UB's team mates to reach target easier. Also UB becomes a lot more vulnerable, as it probably have to run past enemy creeps, maybe an assisting enemy demigod etc. In a way I would like UB get more chances to melee earlier, but changing Spit like this would also take something away from UB's hit and run style.